Liner Pricing

[dcapestany]

I would like to see added funcionality for pricing the labor of insulation and liner.  The minutes per square foot to line a 8x8 elbow is way different than the minutes per square foot to line a 48x48x5' piece of duct.

I would like to see the option to distinguish between straight duct and fittings in the insulation specifications.  That way multiple liners and insulations could be setup with different labor rates.

Better yet, would be to give the option to point insulation and liner to a labor table which could then be given break points.  I attached a PDF showing how I would like to see a table setup.

Other estimating systems such as Quickpen Accubid Sheet Metal and Quote Express have that functionality, it would be great to see it added to ESTmep as well.

[Tstright]

Post your ideas on Autodesks Forum

http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/fabrication-ideastation/idb-p/1220

[VirtualPilot]

I have been asking for that ability for years, Insulation Spec NEEDS to be able to differentiate between STRAIGHTS and FITTINGS... specially for us where Spiral duct gets PERFORATED Inner material and Fittings get Solid Material... with that capability I would not have to manually change Fittings ID at the end of every freaking Double Wall job... 

[dcapestany]

I agree.  We run into the same issue with double wall so we have two specs, one solid, one perf and we have to do a change spec before it goes out to the plasma table.  A little added functionality would save a lot of headaches. 

[Kuhns]

We set up different sound liners in the "Insulation Material"

SL
SL - Decoiled Straight
SL - Machine Cut Straight
SL - Fittings

All the SL have the same Cost $/(sq Ft), but each has a different F time (min)/(Sq Ft)

After a job is completely taken off (using the "generic" SL, we run a script that applies the correct SL to an item...
This will then apply the correct SL to the item...

Works like a charm...

[cnash]

We set up different sound liners in the "Insulation Material"

SL
SL - Decoiled Straight
SL - Machine Cut Straight
SL - Fittings

All the SL have the same Cost $/(sq Ft), but each has a different F time (min)/(Sq Ft)

After a job is completely taken off (using the "generic" SL, we run a script that applies the correct SL to an item...
This will then apply the correct SL to the item...

Works like a charm...

Do you do anything for piping insulation?

[Dave M]

Unless I have missed the point of this thread, why aren't you using value sets & assigning tables for the additional labour times for each value set?
Each value set could then have it's own custom rule which references the insulation thickness & even if its double wall.

[Darren Young]

Unless I have missed the point of this thread, why aren't you using value sets & assigning tables for the additional labour times for each value set?
Each value set could then have it's own custom rule which references the insulation thickness & even if its double wall.

Few reasons....

1) In the US, SMACNA Labor for liner is SQ FT/Hr.  Options in the Value tables are only Hrs/Mins/Secs or Weight per Hr/Min/Sec. It doesn't give you the option of Area per Hr/Min/Sec.

2) Using the Value sets in the Labor Tables, the labor gets added to the same labor as the metal and wraps them up together. You can't easily separate the labor. Look in the Cost Breakdown and you'll see.

3) Using the Value sets bases the rates on the area of the metal developments, not the area of the insulation developments.  Insulation area is is < than the metal in the real world.