CADmep bolt and gasket sets specific to valve or accessory

[guesswhatsixty]

I am trying to get specific types of bolts sets to populate for different valves in our database. For example, a butterfly valve would take a cap screw set, but a f910 check valve would need a bolt set and a gasket.  I am having issues controlling this and would greatly appreciate any help that would point me in the right direction to get this figured out. We currently use Revit in 2019-2023 for modeling and CAD Fabrication/ EST MEP to manage our parts. Thanks

[cadbyken]

I was just thinking about this last week.  The only way I could think of making it work was different flange names: something like RF-150 [insert specifics here].  I was hoping there was a better way and look forward to the answers.

[dopefish]

I am trying to get specific types of bolts sets to populate for different valves in our database. For example, a butterfly valve would take a cap screw set, but a f910 check valve would need a bolt set and a gasket.  I am having issues controlling this and would greatly appreciate any help that would point me in the right direction to get this figured out. We currently use Revit in 2019-2023 for modeling and CAD Fabrication/ EST MEP to manage our parts. Thanks

This is where you would use Ancillaries. You can include things like this in a size driven kit. In fact i bet if u run an ancillary report on your current valves you might get a hit. Try the nibco LD-2000s with ANCILARYREPORT.

[craigjonnson]

Ancillary kits are the easiest way to set this up. We have them assigned to the valve connectors. i.e. Strainer Table E flange, etc.
This is how our database was setup before i took over it. I tried the bolt and nut connectors, but it gets way too complicated.

[PipeFitter72]

We also assign ancillary to our valves for bolts, gaskets,etc

[cnash]

As said above you can do it with ancillaries. You can also do it with multiple connectors to try to drive different connector ITMs but it's a bit more complex.

[dopefish]

As said above you can do it with ancillaries. You can also do it with multiple connectors to try to drive different connector ITMs but it's a bit more complex.

This is relevant to my interests. Do go on. . . .

[cnash]

This is relevant to my interests. Do go on. . . .

So, you can create specific connector matching to drive a different joint ITM.

So, you have a Flange Connector that attaches to a bolt & gasket; you can duplicate that Flange Connector for Valves and call it Valve Flange or something like that and have it connect to a cap screw set.

[dopefish]

So if I am I understanding you correctly, ancillaries can be mapped to connectors? Or are you saying manage the connectivity to connect to a gasket or joint with ancillaries mapped to it?

[cnash]

So if I am I understanding you correctly, ancillaries can be mapped to connectors? Or are you saying manage the connectivity to connect to a gasket or joint with ancillaries mapped to it?

Ancillaries can be mapped to the joint .itm, but you can have separate joints that have different connectors for different situations.

[dopefish]

Now I get it. Thank you sir.

[Darren Young]

To be frank, both ways suck.

Ancillaries are the easiest to setup but have some hard limitations.

Using separate ITM's and connectivity you can get dialed much tighter and have more flexibility, but managing the connectivity to make all that work is an absolute nightmare without very robust documentation.

Autodesk gave up on the separate ITM's in their out of the box config that ships with Revit. Likely because it was too complicated for them and they'd have to ship a database and people who didn't understand Fab wouldn't know how to use it.

ITM bolts/gaskets was in the default config that was with CADmep but that was built be the people who knew what they were doing before Autodesk laid them all off.

After a decade, they still can't seem to parcel out what's needed or wanted. Not even sure they care as they seem hell bent on building things nobody wants and taking an awful  long time to do it.

[dopefish]

Agreed. None of it is what I would call user friendly but the exercise in getting it to work did teach me a lot. I ended up going with an ITM for the gasket and ancillaries on it for the bolts. Valves or items that don't require gaskets get their own bolt kits. It's not perfect but it makes sense in my warped mind.

[madcad]

Not done it but I think the Bolt set ITM method could be made bullet proof. Mind you it would be a complete overhaul of your current content. And you would have end connectors and ITMs for every possible connectivity solution.
Be aware that the ITM must have a length even if its tiny. Otherwise it will not be exported to Stratus if you are using it.
I have attached one of my logic sheets for some fairly complex connectivity. Its main concern is enabling weld mapping in Stratus and have Gasket objects but the method would be similar for Bolts.

[madcad]

Just noticed the file I attached was a bit of a work in progress. Attached something more complete.