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Fabrication 2025
« on: May 29, 2024, 22:17:58 PM »
Anyone get into Fabrication 2025? Any product? CAD, CAM, EST?

We typically start with vetting CAMduct and don't switch our 'base' until the shop gives the green light.  There have been enough issues with 2022-2024 from a shop standpoint that they are still using 2021.  TBH, I don't know if any updates to 2022-2024 fixed the issues we were seeing and there weren't any 'new features' in those versions that made it worthwhile to wait around for and the retest the few, if any, Fabrication updates that get rolled out.

Our detailing department matches (from a AutoCad + Fabrication CADmep standpoint), however we are pretty much in Revit only at this point.  Our estimating department matches as well and is using 2021 ESTmep.  Fingers-crossed 2025 will be suitable.

We just installed today and have put a lot of time into testing just yet, but it does look like the notch issues we had on S&D ends for CID#8 (square to rounds) & 28 (radius elbows) in 2024 CAMduct is still unresolved in 2025.  Shocking.

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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2024, 20:40:47 PM »
There are some changes to how the patterns develop in 24 and 25. I went back and forth with the help desk about it. At the end of it, I came to the conclusion I'm not switching out of 2023 until I absolutely have to because moving to 24/25 will require me to verify every connector and seam against every pattern to makes sure that they aren't eating into the body of the fitting. I've already found 2 patterns that have issues where I need to change the connector allowance, turn over, and notch settings.

That was just CAMduct. I haven't bothered looking into CAD or EST.

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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2024, 13:26:11 PM »
There have been enough issues with 2022-2024 from a shop standpoint that they are still using 2021.

With Autodesk's subscription "we gouge'em good" licensing model aren't you limited to the current version plus three previous versions? This would mean that since 2025 has been released that the oldest version you would be permitted to use now would be 2022?
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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #3 on: Jun 03, 2024, 13:48:00 PM »
There are some changes to how the patterns develop in 24 and 25. I went back and forth with the help desk about it. At the end of it, I came to the conclusion I'm not switching out of 2023 until I absolutely have to because moving to 24/25 will require me to verify every connector and seam against every pattern to makes sure that they aren't eating into the body of the fitting. I've already found 2 patterns that have issues where I need to change the connector allowance, turn over, and notch settings.

That was just CAMduct. I haven't bothered looking into CAD or EST.
Curious which patterns you found this on.
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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #4 on: Jun 04, 2024, 02:37:08 AM »
Rectangular angle and boot taps so far.

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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #5 on: Jun 04, 2024, 02:40:13 AM »
There have been enough issues with 2022-2024 from a shop standpoint that they are still using 2021.

With Autodesk's subscription "we gouge'em good" licensing model aren't you limited to the current version plus three previous versions? This would mean that since 2025 has been released that the oldest version you would be permitted to use now would be 2022?

Up until  2 weeks ago I have 18-25 on my computer. I could still run the older ones when I was curious to find out when they broke something. Now I have 2020-2025. I have any issues opening any of them.

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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #6 on: Jun 04, 2024, 13:19:48 PM »
There have been enough issues with 2022-2024 from a shop standpoint that they are still using 2021.

With Autodesk's subscription "we gouge'em good" licensing model aren't you limited to the current version plus three previous versions? This would mean that since 2025 has been released that the oldest version you would be permitted to use now would be 2022?

Up until  2 weeks ago I have 18-25 on my computer. I could still run the older ones when I was curious to find out when they broke something. Now I have 2020-2025. I have any issues opening any of them.

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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #7 on: Jun 04, 2024, 14:17:29 PM »
There have been enough issues with 2022-2024 from a shop standpoint that they are still using 2021.

With Autodesk's subscription "we gouge'em good" licensing model aren't you limited to the current version plus three previous versions? This would mean that since 2025 has been released that the oldest version you would be permitted to use now would be 2022?

Up until  2 weeks ago I have 18-25 on my computer. I could still run the older ones when I was curious to find out when they broke something. Now I have 2020-2025. I have any issues opening any of them.

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They may continue to function but may not necessarily fall under "permissible use" according to the legalese within the licensing agreement. I seem to recall back in 2020 during the "lockdown" that they relaxed the rules to include five previous versions but I thought that they have since reverted back to the three previous versions rule. I'm sure older versions may continue to function for now, but I expect there may be some difficulty actually reinstalling 2021 or earlier versions.
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Re: Fabrication 2025
« Reply #8 on: Jun 04, 2024, 15:43:24 PM »
They may continue to function but may not necessarily fall under "permissible use" according to the legalese within the licensing agreement. I seem to recall back in 2020 during the "lockdown" that they relaxed the rules to include five previous versions but I thought that they have since reverted back to the three previous versions rule. I'm sure older versions may continue to function for now, but I expect there may be some difficulty actually reinstalling 2021 or earlier versions.

They don't support older than 5 versions, so no patches, support, etc. But they should technically work. I guess they could eliminate the authorization for your user for those products if they wanted to technically...
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