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Design line Offset rules
« on: Dec 29, 2009, 17:48:38 PM »
Can anyone explain the offset rules in design line to me?  I have the manual from UGM from 2 years ago.  It has a little blurb on it, but it is a bit vague.

The instructions say:
Specify the size condition which defines the proper application of the desired offset fitting.
  Condition options include:
    1. Less than or equal to "value"
    2.  Less than or equal to "Depth + value"
    3. Less than or equal to "width" + "value"

what is this "value"?  Is that the amount of the offset?  the length of the fitting?  The width or depth? 

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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #1 on: Dec 29, 2009, 17:53:25 PM »
I believe the value refers to the difference between the two objects.  As an example, if you had an offset down of 6" when the duct is 14" deep.  This would be where an offset/ogee might be used.  The Depth + value would be where elbows may be used.  Width, of course, would be an offset visiable in the plan view.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #2 on: Dec 29, 2009, 18:02:12 PM »
so, what you are saying is that if I have a 10" round duct that is offsetting up 4", I should be able to put 4 in as the value and it will put the offset in?
because i tried that, I also tried putting 14" in there?  neither one worked.
When it asks for the button code, does it mean the generic button code, such as "Offset"  or does it what I have put on the button mapping for that fitting, ex: "XOFF"?
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #3 on: Dec 29, 2009, 18:20:40 PM »
It comes down to what your standards are really.  How do you know when to use an offset or two elbows?  This, of course, will be different depending on the depth or width of the duct.

I haven't played much with the designline but I knoow setting up the conditions/button mapping is one of the more tedious parts of it.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #4 on: Dec 29, 2009, 18:23:54 PM »
Well thanks for trying to help anyway!  Is there anyone out there who has this part of design line set up?  Maybe you could share a screen shot?  Maybe even someone from TSI could help me?
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #5 on: Dec 29, 2009, 19:10:57 PM »
You could call support.  That is what they are there for.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #6 on: Dec 29, 2009, 19:34:28 PM »
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #7 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:04:39 PM »
In button mappings under button code, when I try to put a new one in, it does not give me an option of typing something new in like "TWO45BENDS"
Also, the less than or = to 24, is that 24"set?  Or length? or round size?

Sorry for being so dense here, but I am just not getting it.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #8 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:13:47 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:17:06 PM »
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #10 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:38:01 PM »
I ask this question at the UGM....not to a Map Rep but to a user,and he stated ? as i have forgotten.Best thing to do is mess with it.Someone will chime in here.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #11 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:43:58 PM »
I see a lot of people reading the post, please reply if you know the answer!  
I have been messing with it.  I get the annotating to at least ask for an offset, but it doesn't put one in there.  I checked the button mapping and button code and they match and it should work, but doesn't...  Help!
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #12 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:51:11 PM »
Dumb question.It's not excluded is it?.If not do you what two 45s or and ogee to fill in.It will not put the 45s in if it can't make the throats that are by default in your template
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #13 on: Dec 29, 2009, 20:58:36 PM »
no it is not excluded.  neither one of those options work for a round offset... :-(
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #14 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:07:36 PM »
okay, here is something weird...  If the amount of the offset equals exactly what I have set as a default for the offset then it draws one.  If it is 24"long and 6"set and I draw a design line with a 6 inch set it works, if i only want a 5 inch set it doesn't....Should I be using a different pattern?  I have all those fields unlocked on the default fitting.
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