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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #15 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:08:34 PM »
Speaking of rectangular.So you want to Round 45 to fill?
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #16 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:12:00 PM »
no if the set is less than 6" I would like it to use pattern 68, round offset, then go to 45's and pipe.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #17 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:22:40 PM »
Something like this
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #18 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:26:55 PM »
yes!  except when i do it, it doesn't work....
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #19 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:35:00 PM »
You have the offset an angle unlocked in dimensions?I use 68 also
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #20 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:38:37 PM »
yes it is unlocked, sigh....I am on 2.38.174 version, could that matter?
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #21 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:45:53 PM »
Possible.Try this.Draw the run with the 5" set and revdesign it.Erase the 3d and re-fill
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #22 on: Dec 29, 2009, 21:58:30 PM »
i did that and got some really weird stuff.  The offset went to the side instead of down.  Then it put a little piece of pipe going 90 degrees up.  I think my design line has a screw loose.
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #23 on: Jan 11, 2010, 17:02:46 PM »
Offset rules explained:

The breakpoints apply to the total length of line between adjacent "Bend" nodes.

The "Value" is deliberately generically named: as it can be an absolute length or a multiplier of the working width or working depth.

So, you can create a list of breakpoint lengths that are either absolute lengths or relative to the working width or depth.

There is an overlap where bend-to-bend lines will be converted into an "offset" node - in which case breakpoints do not apply.

The offset rules are applied in the order that they are entered in the service database. Any breakpoint that is satisfied will attempt to use the button code alongside that breakpoint.

Take note that an "Offset" node applies to the length of the deviation - within the working width & depth. Where the deviation in the width is less than the width & the deviation in the depth is less than the depth. Also, this also only applies to lines that have a total length less than approx 4xWorking width.

Of course disabling the "soft suppress" of any "offset" line & making it "User unsuppressed" should create bend nodes again.

Sounds complicated - but much simpler if you test the different rules
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #24 on: Jan 23, 2010, 17:07:01 PM »
would you care to explain the terms working width and working depth!

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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #25 on: Feb 03, 2010, 13:48:23 PM »
working width and working depth ... means the dims as calculated or otherwise on the line into the offset.
So if the dims are different through the offset-type node the 'working width' is the width of the line into the offset.

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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #26 on: Jul 16, 2010, 20:05:32 PM »
Quote from: Chris
Of course disabling the "soft suppress" of any "offset" line & making it "User unsuppressed" should create bend nodes again.
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Ok I have a line that has 2 bends as Anno and I want to use the offset rules...so reversing this statement (setting the lines to soft suppress) should have given me offset nodes.Nope

I take it the offset rules only apply to an offset node....Is this correct?
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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #27 on: Aug 31, 2010, 12:21:35 PM »
Offset rules applies to lines between 2 "Bend" nodes.

Design line will automatically suppress lines that effectively offset less than the working width (&/or depth) - unless you have forced "user unsuppressed" on that particular line.

In answer to your question: no,  "offset rules" never apply to "offset" nodes.

It is confusing: feel free to call the offset rules something different

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Re: Design line Offset rules
« Reply #28 on: Jun 10, 2020, 19:43:03 PM »
Though this is an older post I had similar issues to Curtis when setting up design line offset rules in a new database.  I too thought my design line had a screw loose. 

After some tinkering I found the issue: I had two round elbows button stacked (a buyout pressed elbow and a shop fab’d elbow).  For my offset rules to work I had to apply Lower and Upper Limit conditions to the stacked button.  Even when I attempted to fill my design line with a size outside the available sizes of the pressed elbow's product list, the offset rules would fail.  Added the size conditions/restrictions and everything works as expected. 

Settings and CIDs:
Offset = CID 380.
Fab’d elbow = CID 61
Pressed elbow = CID 523
Less than Equal <= Value | 36 | MyButtonCode for two round 90s
Less than Equal <= (Width x Value) | 3.5 | MyButtonCode for two 45s
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