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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by JShaw.CAD on Today at 02:28:37 AM »
I agree with Darren, Autodesk have just been 'checking boxes' with regards to Fabrication for the last few years.

Provide official 3D content for MEP - check - very limited and then 'opened up' so users could modify it and change it (shouldn't there just be ONE Nibco 607 elbow definition rather than 'opening up' the ITM so users can modify and change it).
Put ITM's into Revit - check - half-hearted attempt that doesn't adhere to any established Revit methods or processes, requires ADSK to make changes to the Revit core for any advancements and doesn't come with tools (such as renumber, comprehensive reporting, backward compatibility with previous versions, spooling, etc) like CADmep does.
ADSK aren't even following their own rules and suggestions for developers - CADmep still is just a Toolbar - for developers they suggest all menus are available as ribbons.
CADmep worked great as it leveraged the API for AutoCAD. Because of this, CADmep could be developed and improved and have features added without modification to, and independent of, the AutoCAD platform. Why they would decide to make Fab Parts work by having to re-program Revit is a mystery. That puts the future of Fab Parts PURELY at the mercy of ADSK. Like Darren says, the market is so small for them that it they decide to not develop Fab Parts any further (which looks likely with Andy and the team gone) or, even worse, remove the Fab Parts code from Revit, no third party can step in and help.

In reality, Fab Parts has no value to ADSK. If Fab Parts didn't exist, users would still be sticking with AutoCAD and CADmep (which ADSK sell) or Revit (which ADSK sell) and some third party add-on. Fab Parts is just a headache for ADSK and such a small market (and revenue) that, if they do abandon it, there will be a few upset companies but those companies will still end up buying Revit or AutoCAD.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by madcad on Yesterday at 11:03:06 PM »
It'll never be finished. There comes a point when a big company like Autodesk can't get any further in the weeds. That's where they rely on the API. Most MEP firms aren't going to have a programmer in house. That leaves 3rd parties creating add-ons. That'll only happen if the market is large enough and it's likely not.

Autodesk is off to more strategic things, hoping to replace the tools you use with tools that do parts of those things but lacking in many other ways.

When you think about it, Autodesk has no incentive to ever solve your problem. They've never "finished" anything I've ever been promised. They get close, then change gears...never getting there. Just close enough to solve enough problems that you move the direction they want but not far enough that it gets you where you want to go.... there's always "something else" on the horizon that they want to sell you to do that which was 1/2 thought out and poorly implemented.

I cannot be that negative. The advancement made in Revit are amazing. They cannot let this go now users are beginning to realize this. Every single user of ours (80+) that are now using Fabrication Parts instead of Families agree they are far superior. However its best to manage your own content if you want total comparability.
On tip is if you are going to manage your own content is base everything on DN / NB size to ensure compatibility between manufacturers. This has made things a lot more fluid for us.
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General Discussions / Re: General Insulation Specification Questions
« Last post by davidratx on Yesterday at 10:22:17 PM »
Interesting problem. I am going to bring it to Autodesk and see if we can't get some kind of solution. In the meantime you would have to have a separate insulation that won't adjust the hangers and assign it to the affected section of pipe.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by Darren Young on Yesterday at 05:04:00 PM »
Believe it or not, that was my "positive" spin on it.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by cadbyken on Yesterday at 04:46:53 PM »
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It'll never be finished. There comes a point when a big company like Autodesk can't get any further in the weeds. That's where they rely on the API. Most MEP firms aren't going to have a programmer in house. That leaves 3rd parties creating add-ons. That'll only happen if the market is large enough and it's likely not.

Autodesk is off to more strategic things, hoping to replace the tools you use with tools that do parts of those things but lacking in many other ways.

When you think about it, Autodesk has no incentive to ever solve your problem. They've never "finished" anything I've ever been promised. They get close, then change gears...never getting there. Just close enough to solve enough problems that you move the direction they want but not far enough that it gets you where you want to go.... there's always "something else" on the horizon that they want to sell you to do that which was 1/2 thought out and poorly implemented.

:o wow, and I thought I didn't feel good about this before  :'(  Happy Monday all!
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by Darren Young on Yesterday at 04:26:35 PM »
It'll never be finished. There comes a point when a big company like Autodesk can't get any further in the weeds. That's where they rely on the API. Most MEP firms aren't going to have a programmer in house. That leaves 3rd parties creating add-ons. That'll only happen if the market is large enough and it's likely not.

Autodesk is off to more strategic things, hoping to replace the tools you use with tools that do parts of those things but lacking in many other ways.

When you think about it, Autodesk has no incentive to ever solve your problem. They've never "finished" anything I've ever been promised. They get close, then change gears...never getting there. Just close enough to solve enough problems that you move the direction they want but not far enough that it gets you where you want to go.... there's always "something else" on the horizon that they want to sell you to do that which was 1/2 thought out and poorly implemented.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by VirtualPilot on Yesterday at 03:20:30 PM »
I don’t think we need to worry about Fabrication parts in Revit, there has been too much investment. Anyone who creates their own content will realise that ITMs are far easier / faster to configure and thanks to Andy and teams  development in Revit they are far more user friendly.

Who's going to finish it? Fabrication in Revit still needs a lot of work... I will be very easy for Autodesk to pull the plug...

I just now fired up Revit 18 to see what has been done in Fabrication, to me, it's still very cumbersome for a lot of things...

Just my 2 cents worth...
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CADmep™ Users / Re: CID for valve with offset connectors
« Last post by madcad on Feb 18, 2018, 10:24:24 PM »
I would use CID#1110.
You can simply add boxed and cylinders as required.
One thing to bear in mind is that it should respect round connectors as the pipe material OD. Currently it is broken since 2017. I am currently putting a report for 2018. It is usable by using box shapes with their edges filleted at half width. You could also use CID#912 but it also is broken since 2017.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by madcad on Feb 18, 2018, 10:14:06 PM »
I don’t think we need to worry about Fabrication parts in Revit, there has been too much investment. Anyone who creates their own content will realise that ITMs are far easier / faster to configure and thanks to Andy and teams  development in Revit they are far more user friendly.
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General Discussions / Re: Autodesk Layoffs
« Last post by cadbyken on Feb 17, 2018, 06:13:30 PM »
With Andy leaving and this, I am getting concerned about the future of Fabrication...
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