natrix
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Is there a difference in the program content that I get if run the full install without uninstalling my old setup as compared to a clean install.
I ran the setup weeks ago without uninstalling and now this morning I see the little video on the content site saying to uninstall to get all the updates.
If I do need to perform a full intsall then I need to get my company settings and toggles reset quickly. What would be the best way to get the database, services and ten million other things up and running fast?
Thanks
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| 04-November-2009 13:46:19 |
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VirtualPilot
Virtual Pilot
 From: Memphis, TN
Registered: 30-August-2006
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I have over 3 years worth of updates on my PC, I don't think you gain anything by fully uninstalling a prior version....what video are you referring to?
For you last question....how many hours would you devote daily to set-up? We found that it is practically a never ending process....you will always find something that needs to be tweaked, changed, added, fix, tested, etc etc...
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Santos Cedeno CAD/BIM Mgr - DIXIE Metal Products
REL 2.40.52 SP1 {19}
DELL T7500 - Dual Quad Core Xeon 2.26GHz - 6GB RAM - 1GB nVidia Quadro FX3800 - 80GB OS Drive - 320GB Data Drive - W7Ux64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
ALIENWARE M17-R1 - Core 2 Duo T9400 2.53GHz - 4GB RAM - 32GB Solid State OS Drive - 100GB Data Drive - (2) ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 - W7Px64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
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| 04-November-2009 14:56:25 |
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JReis
Senior Member
 From: Citrus Heights, California, US
Registered: 18-August-2004
Posts: 156
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A full install and the update are two different processes.
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| 04-November-2009 15:06:58 |
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natrix
Active Member
Registered: 05-September-2007
Posts: 14
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Jim,
I ran the full install application from the content site.
My existing setup was still on my machine when it ran it.
When prompted I picked the very top option (modify).
There was plenty of new changes made after it ran.
On the download page listing all of your options there is a video playing that shows bubble comments telling what each download is intended to do.
For the 2.38.179 Full Install the comment bubble said to uninstall the old version to ensure that all newfeatures are installed.
I renamed my Map-Software folder and ran the install again, it gave me the same options as before. Should I select remove all installed features and run again, and is there a real benefit to doing this?
If I do get to a clean slate is there a safe and easy way to get my appropriate settings reinstated? Services, Custom Data, Toggles, Service Types, Etc.
VP,
I am always doing set-up on some portion of the program I would say I avg 2 hours a day just on the program features. Departmental and company processes that utilize TSI are a whole other story.
Last edited by natrix (04-November-2009 16:28:56)
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| 04-November-2009 15:30:08 |
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AprilNewland
CAD 3D design and coordination
 From: Nashville, TN
Registered: 30-October-2008
Posts: 136
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so any idea when the full install is going to back up and going on the download site?
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Cad-Elec Lok 18
Win 7, 64 bit Xeon Processor 3.33 12 GB
Dual Nividia Quadro 4800 (1.5 g each)
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| 04-November-2009 16:12:46 |
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c2k
I got nothing, or is it something? I forget.
 From: Utah, USA
Registered: 24-May-2004
Posts: 2923
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It's there, is it not?
Ah, the link doesn't work...404 Not Found error
I have it, but obviously it is a large file: 408 MB
If someone really needs it we can do an FTP exchange.
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**CHRIS
Windows 7 64-bit
AutoCAD Revit MEP Suite 2010
Lock 19 ~ CADmep+ ~ ESTmep+ v2.38.218
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| 04-November-2009 16:23:15 |
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AprilNewland
CAD 3D design and coordination
From: Nashville, TN
Registered: 30-October-2008
Posts: 136
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I'll wait until it is up again..what i really want is the ignoreabs.txt file with is just text seeing if it is a different one that they say since i have not full installed really ever! lol
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Cad-Elec Lok 18
Win 7, 64 bit Xeon Processor 3.33 12 GB
Dual Nividia Quadro 4800 (1.5 g each)
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| 04-November-2009 17:20:30 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
 From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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Yep, dead link. I've tried a few times to download it.
Funny that you can go to MAP's website (England) and download an american version of 2.38.186
edit note: (It's american CAM Duct, not CAD-Duct)
Last edited by Jabbster (04-November-2009 20:00:31)
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| 04-November-2009 17:51:17 |
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VirtualPilot
Virtual Pilot
From: Memphis, TN
Registered: 30-August-2006
Posts: 3422
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I always go to MAP's website....
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REL 2.40.52 SP1 {19}
DELL T7500 - Dual Quad Core Xeon 2.26GHz - 6GB RAM - 1GB nVidia Quadro FX3800 - 80GB OS Drive - 320GB Data Drive - W7Ux64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
ALIENWARE M17-R1 - Core 2 Duo T9400 2.53GHz - 4GB RAM - 32GB Solid State OS Drive - 100GB Data Drive - (2) ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 - W7Px64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
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| 04-November-2009 18:21:37 |
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cam-nav
Senior Member
 From: Seattle
Registered: 11-October-2006
Posts: 2839
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Anybody see any advantages of doing this, if you have? More content? Probably not for sheetmetal.....
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Dave
W7 64 bit- Dell M6400
CAD-Duct v2.38.214
testing v2.40.052
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| 21-November-2009 20:08:15 |
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CADMinick
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From: Davenport, Iowa
Registered: 05-October-2009
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| 23-November-2009 17:28:12 |
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Brian
TSI
From: Seattle
Registered: 11-February-2009
Posts: 7
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To All:
This link was broken on purpose. We are in the process of making changes and posting a new installer. I reccomend that you wait for the new installer.
Brian - TSI
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| 23-November-2009 20:07:51 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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Brian wrote:
To All:
This link was broken on purpose. We are in the process of making changes and posting a new installer. I reccomend that you wait for the new installer.
Brian - TSI |
It's 2010 and there is still no Full Version 
do you still recommend that we wait?
Last edited by Jabbster (05-January-2010 23:32:10)
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| 05-January-2010 21:47:30 |
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c2k
I got nothing, or is it something? I forget.
From: Utah, USA
Registered: 24-May-2004
Posts: 2923
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Jabbster wrote:
do you still recommend that we wait? |
 are you trying to be funny James? Either way it made me smile.
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**CHRIS
Windows 7 64-bit
AutoCAD Revit MEP Suite 2010
Lock 19 ~ CADmep+ ~ ESTmep+ v2.38.218
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| 06-January-2010 06:19:34 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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c2k wrote:
are you trying to be funny James? Either way it made me smile. |
Yes I'm being a bit sarcastic, but I'm also asking a legitimate question 
I'd like to do a new, full complete installation, but I have been waiting for about 3 months for a recent full version to be available on MAP-CC's website.
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| 06-January-2010 17:30:15 |
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c2k
I got nothing, or is it something? I forget.
From: Utah, USA
Registered: 24-May-2004
Posts: 2923
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I have a copy of the one that was posted for a bit. Actually just gave a copy of it to a TSI trainer a couple of weeks ago. If they don't post one soon I might be able to get it to you. Hopefully they will just post one.
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**CHRIS
Windows 7 64-bit
AutoCAD Revit MEP Suite 2010
Lock 19 ~ CADmep+ ~ ESTmep+ v2.38.218
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| 07-January-2010 03:05:22 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
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Thanks Chris,
They emailed me a link to a temp download site.
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| 07-January-2010 16:31:28 |
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c2k
I got nothing, or is it something? I forget.
From: Utah, USA
Registered: 24-May-2004
Posts: 2923
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Right on, glad they took care of you. What version out of curiosity?
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**CHRIS
Windows 7 64-bit
AutoCAD Revit MEP Suite 2010
Lock 19 ~ CADmep+ ~ ESTmep+ v2.38.218
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| 08-January-2010 02:41:56 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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Don't know for sure what version, I think it's 2.38.179. I downloaded it yesterday but won't be able to install cause we just got a design build job that's a rush to get design drgs out. The file is an .exe with a date of 10/16/2009. I wanted to do a new full install on my laptop for a few different reasons. One is that I've missed several updates and I don't want to do makepat for every CID that I've missed (I'd have to read every CADDuct changes document to know what CID's to makepat on!) I'd also like to see what a recent TSI build looks like compared to the version that I originall installed 5 years ago.
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| 08-January-2010 16:31:29 |
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bparrell
Senior Member
 From: So-CAL
Registered: 25-August-2004
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Just install it in a different directory and have both to compare.
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LOOKING FORWARD TO MORE HOLIDAYS BOB
MEP 2011(18x64) 2.38.218(lok 19)WIN 7 O.S
Arch/MEP Revit 2011
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| 08-January-2010 17:13:27 |
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miltonhultsiv
Senior Member
 From: Delaware
Registered: 15-March-2006
Posts: 243
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is it possible to do the full install, and then install the updates for 181 and 197...and then replace files from my installl i have now such as services, pressure classes, etc?
or another question...do you really have to install each update or will the latest update have everything up to date with it? we are running 174 right now cuz we've been waiting for the correct full install...
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Milton Hults
Mechanical Designer - Delcard Associates
AutoCAD Architecture 2011 32bit, Windows XP Pro
v2.40.036 LOCK 19
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| 11-January-2010 12:24:14 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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Did everybody get the email from TSI saying they were "...preparing to release 2.38.20(or higher..." Not sure if it stated Full version or Update though.
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Win7x64, Intel Core2 2.66, 8 GB, Quadro FX 3500
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| 11-January-2010 21:51:43 |
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VirtualPilot
Virtual Pilot
From: Memphis, TN
Registered: 30-August-2006
Posts: 3422
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I haven't...
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REL 2.40.52 SP1 {19}
DELL T7500 - Dual Quad Core Xeon 2.26GHz - 6GB RAM - 1GB nVidia Quadro FX3800 - 80GB OS Drive - 320GB Data Drive - W7Ux64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
ALIENWARE M17-R1 - Core 2 Duo T9400 2.53GHz - 4GB RAM - 32GB Solid State OS Drive - 100GB Data Drive - (2) ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 - W7Px64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
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| 11-January-2010 22:29:24 |
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AprilNewland
CAD 3D design and coordination
From: Nashville, TN
Registered: 30-October-2008
Posts: 136
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no email here either......
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Cad-Elec Lok 18
Win 7, 64 bit Xeon Processor 3.33 12 GB
Dual Nividia Quadro 4800 (1.5 g each)
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| 13-January-2010 18:14:37 |
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Jabbster
I can't 'member
From: Santa Cruz, CA
Registered: 14-June-2005
Posts: 1009
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This is the message I got (the names have been removed to protect the innocent):
Thank you for your continued support of TSI’s solutions. This message is being sent to you because you are a valued customer of Technical Sales International (TSI), MAP Customer Care or both. We are preparing to release 2.38.20(or higher) and are contacting you to make you aware that we will be using an Internet based notification system.
TSI and our development partners MAP Micro Application Packages (MAP) are very active in provided you increased productivity tools in each and every software release. We are very excited to provide the industries only real integrated solution with a single common database. The pending release is due out very soon and will include many customer requested enhancements and new tie-ins to new products such as CAD-Elec and JOB-Site PM. JOB-Site PM provides Project Manager with new tools that use 3D viewing with new Wireless Bar Code readers to manage project status in real-time.
This release will require a MAP generated LOC 18 code to operate the latest Software Release version 2.38.200(or higher). To better serve you and your company in the updating process TSI will be delivering to your company Primary Contact an e-mail notification. The e-mail will include instructions and a link to the TSI Customer Resources at TechnicalSalesInernational.com. Because we would like to assist you and your company in a smooth upgrade we are sending the HASP update information to one Primary Contact per company.
Your company Primary Contact is:
Your company Primary Contact e-mail address is:
If this information is incorrect please e-mail me back with the correct Primary Company contact First and Last Name and E-Mail address.
This release will increase functionality to the following products:
CAD-Duct
CAD-Mech
CAM-Duct (PM2000)
EST-Duct
EST-Mech
Track-it
CAD-MEP
JOB-Site PM
CAD-Elec FAB-Mep
Regards,
Last edited by Jabbster (13-January-2010 18:21:04)
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Win7x64, Intel Core2 2.66, 8 GB, Quadro FX 3500
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| 13-January-2010 18:17:46 |
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jmerch
CAD Coordination Manager
 From: Omaha, NE
Registered: 04-December-2009
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I got it. It gets sent to the contact they have on file for the TSI stuff. Here's what it said:
Thank you for your continued support of TSI’s solutions. This message is being sent to you because you are a valued customer of Technical Sales International (TSI), MAP Customer Care or both. We are preparing to release 2.38.20(or higher) and are contacting you to make you aware that we will be using an Internet based notification system.
TSI and our development partners MAP Micro Application Packages (MAP) are very active in provided you increased productivity tools in each and every software release. We are very excited to provide the industries only real integrated solution with a single common database. The pending release is due out very soon and will include many customer requested enhancements and new tie-ins to new products such as CAD-Elec and JOB-Site PM. JOB-Site PM provides Project Manager with new tools that use 3D viewing with new Wireless Bar Code readers to manage project status in real-time.
This release will require a MAP generated LOC 18 code to operate the latest Software Release version 2.38.200(or higher). To better serve you and your company in the updating process TSI will be delivering to your company Primary Contact an e-mail notification. The e-mail will include instructions and a link to the TSI Customer Resources at TechnicalSalesInernational.com. Because we would like to assist you and your company in a smooth upgrade we are sending the HASP update information to one Primary Contact per company.
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REL 2.38.197 {18}
DELL T7500 - Dual Quad Core Xeon 3.33GHz - 24GB RAM - NVidia Quadro FX5800 - W7Ux64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2011
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| 13-January-2010 18:19:35 |
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AprilNewland
CAD 3D design and coordination
From: Nashville, TN
Registered: 30-October-2008
Posts: 136
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so did it ever release yet?
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Cad-Elec Lok 18
Win 7, 64 bit Xeon Processor 3.33 12 GB
Dual Nividia Quadro 4800 (1.5 g each)
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| 08-February-2010 22:07:16 |
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VirtualPilot
Virtual Pilot
From: Memphis, TN
Registered: 30-August-2006
Posts: 3422
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214 is out and available...
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Santos Cedeno CAD/BIM Mgr - DIXIE Metal Products
REL 2.40.52 SP1 {19}
DELL T7500 - Dual Quad Core Xeon 2.26GHz - 6GB RAM - 1GB nVidia Quadro FX3800 - 80GB OS Drive - 320GB Data Drive - W7Ux64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
ALIENWARE M17-R1 - Core 2 Duo T9400 2.53GHz - 4GB RAM - 32GB Solid State OS Drive - 100GB Data Drive - (2) ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3870 - W7Px64 - MEP2010 - NAVIS 2010
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| 09-February-2010 13:07:48 |
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JEMoody
Programmer/Analyst
From: Columbus OH
Registered: 29-July-2008
Posts: 16
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But only from MAP, not MAP-CC. Here is the email I received last week when I asked about it:
| Thank you for contacting MAP Customer Care. Regarding your inquiry on lock 18, we have not yet released a build that requires lock 18. Our latest build available is 2.38.186 which requires lock 17. I have attached the changes PDF for CAM that describes what was implemented in the builds for your consideration. When an update is released it is posted to the TSI content site. I would recommend checking it periodically for updates. |
I've downloaded the new versions from MAP, but since I don't have loc 18 on my key, I can't run it.
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PM2000 2.38.189 LOC 17
PM2000 2.38.218 LOC 18
XP 32bit
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| 09-February-2010 14:54:26 |
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tnbndr
What Did I do to get that to WORK????
 From: A Great Place on a Great Lake
Registered: 04-December-2003
Posts: 2343
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I believe there is a difference between the updates and the new "FULL INSTALL" that was supposed to be released.
I don't think the "FULL INSTALL" was ever officially released. Is that a true statement?
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We are currently on Version 2.38.174, Program Lock 17, Dongle Lock 19. AutoCad 2008(Plain Jane)
If it's broke, don't blame me, it was like that when I found it!
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