Bobby T
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With everything soon going to ribbons instead of toolbars, I was wondering how many out here currently use the ribbons and what your thoughts are about them/ I will soon upgrade to windows 7 64 bit and am thinking of making the jump over while I hopefully still have time to ease into it.
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jmerch
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I personally fell into the whole ribbon thing. I started my job and was thrown into MEP 2010 with the ribbon. The previous guy before me had a crack to get the toolbars back but it severely messed up ACAD and we had to reinstall it. Anyways, at first I was hesitant but figured, may as well change with the times. It only helps yourself to know the new ways just in case. Once into it, I realized it's not that hard/different to get around in and I actually created a custom tab and took the most used items off the other tabs and put it on here. So i only used my custom tab and the CAD-MECH one I created. I hardly bounce between tabs.
As far as the old argument of the "space they take up", the tool bars can take up the same amount of space and you can easily hide the ribbon. It's way more user friendly, I think. I just think there's the type of people who hate change, and the type willing to try it out and adapt to it.
As I said, I figured there's no reason NOT to learn it. If worst case happened (again) and I had to find a new job, nowadays you're competing with kids out of college who, if you think about it, wouldn't know what a toolbar is anymore so I may as well learn the ribbon so I can ease into another job if anything ever happened to my current job.
My two cents.
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ScottieM
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I didn't see a need to go to ribbons other than autocad having something new to offer. I use the ribbons, but I made all new custom ones for what I wanted. I figured not getting use to using them just prolongs the inevitable anyways. At some point toolbars are not going to be an option at all.
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cadbob
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Not completely true! You can set Autocad to look like the ole dos versions actually. Try it out go to tools options. Display, and check screen menu. That is just a quick way, of course there are some other settings. They always add new but leave the old in there! 
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Jabbster
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I have customized the CADMEP+ Toolbars and the ribbons.
I keep the Ribbon minimized to Panel Titles, which takes up minimal space but allows quick access to my Express tools, customized tools and an enhanced CADMEP+ menu. I still use toolbars for the majority of CADDuct drafting, but I'd eventually like to have every MAP command available on the ribbon. Out of sight most of the time but quickly available when needed.
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Bobby T
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James, finally got the upgraded machine. Trying to set up my ribbons. I can't find all of the Cad MEP commands in the customization window. Can you offer a littl edirection?
Thanks
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cam-nav
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EVERY MAP command? There are quite a few...
Don't you guys use X-Keys?
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Bobby T
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Well, not every map command. There are commands in this software NO-ONE knows about. All I am looking for are the basics that rae a paeret of the toolbars.It would be nice if the ribbons were already part of the package. How about it MAP?
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http://www.xtracad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=3906
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jhoward
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ScottieM wrote:
I didn't see a need to go to ribbons other than autocad having something new to offer. I use the ribbons, but I made all new custom ones for what I wanted. I figured not getting use to using them just prolongs the inevitable anyways. At some point toolbars are not going to be an option at all.
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blasphemy!!!
1) Autodesk up until recently has only added on top of its current platform it doesn't take anything away, and even what I am referring to is still an option via download (VBA)
2) There is no more productive way to work than with your keyboard... I don't care what crack pot says otherwise, hunting for icons (especially the multiple clicks it takes to operate a ribbon) will always pale in comparison to a guy who has properly setup keyboard shortcuts.
3) Out of the box the Ribbon is a piece of crap. The amount of customization required to setup a Ribbon for productivity (in your scope of work... cause all of us work differently) far exceeds the amount of effort needed to setup the keyboard.
4) Autodesk is notorious for changing there icons damn near every single release... what is the point of learning something that will be bassakwards on the next version?
the only pro I can give the Ribbon is that it can be disabled..... and I can still work with LOGICAL left to right, top to bottom menus for the obscure things I occasionally need to accomplish and haven't bound a shortcut to yet.
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jhoward wrote:
2) There is no more productive way to work than with your keyboard... I don't care what crack pot says otherwise, hunting for icons (especially the multiple clicks it takes to operate a ribbon) will always pale in comparison to a guy who has properly setup keyboard shortcuts.
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I was starting to think I was the only one who still preferred the key board.
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ScottieM
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jhoward wrote:
blasphemy!!!
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I like it.
Agnostic by nature.
I didn't look for any downloads. I just noticed that when we moved from MEP 2008 to MEP 2010, there were no options for toolbars for the MEP, just ribbons. Thanks for the info.
If you saw me type, you might want to stick a fork in your eye to take away the pain of watching me type. ouch.
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jhoward
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I personally don't and never have used MEP, so I couldn't tell you if they force the use of a ribbon, but its safe to say that if that is the case..... I never will either. Autodesk would receive hate mail and phone calls from me on a daily basis if they pulled the same thing microsoft did on me. On second thought... that wouldn't last long cause I would just program one back in 
Embracing new technology is one thing, but having it forced upon you isn't much fun. Especially when its not a good idea in the first place and doesn't offer substantial value to the user. On some days I'd sure like to put BIM in this category.
You have my condolences for having to be subjected to that...
I do know "part" of the reason why is because the command names that MEP uses are very long and almost impossible to efficiently use from a keyboard (much less remember them), but that's where my shortcut philosophy comes in. You can tweak a pgp for productivity in a 10 minutes. You'll spend 10 minutes a day for weeks/months tweaking that cui a little each day till its right. Then you'll get to work with it for 6-8 months and Autodesk will put the stick right back in your spokes on the next release.
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bparrell
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Hello Jhoward
Yes long command names ,but they must of listen ,as the aec portion has been discarded on numerous commnds in 2011
Woopee
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Zorg
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Quick is what you know.
Commands never change, unless you change them yourselves. I personally am very baffled by the ribbon, its user friendly for a noobie but i'd rather mash he keyboard anydays
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ebeckman
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Keyboard commands are for dinosaurs... oh crud, I am a dinosaur!
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jhoward
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well.... since someone else decided to dig up bones... I may as well keep poking at this dead dog with a stick
Zorg wrote:
Quick is what you know. |
It was hard (VERY hard!) and very counterproductive to reprogram myself to use mnemonic input for snap overrides but I had the foresight to see the value in it and I am way ahead of the game for having done it. What is quick is not what you know..... it is what you are willing to change!
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Keyboard commands are for dinosaurs! |
I guess I am prehistoric or at minimum an "old-soul". I personally hope people continue to embrace new (retarded) ideas that are mostly introduced to help sell a new version, and I mean that!! I sincerely hope people continue to gravitate towards being icon hunters. They make me look goooood....
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there was a recent AUGI article called "Too Good for Your Own Good?" that couldn't possibly be more true. The second you think your done learning you are so screwed!! Cause someone like me is going to run circles around you without even trying to. There wasn't one thing on that list I don't consider myself at least familiar with; even if it is not applicable to my specific scope / profession.
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the downfall to being "that guy" is demand..... 60 hour weeks and such..... hence why I am not out partying tonight and posting on this damn forum instead. I got to work tomorrow 
Edited: Took out some vulgar commentary... think I had a few beers in me or something at the time
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VirtualPilot
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Combo Custom Keystrokes for MAP Commands and toolbars here...
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bparrell
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jhoward wrote:
well.... since someone else decided to dig up bones... I may as well keep poking at this dead dog with a stick
Zorg wrote:
Quick is what you know. |
It was hard (VERY hard!) and very counterproductive to reprogram myself to use mnemonic input for snap overrides but I had the foresight to see the value in it and I am way ahead of the game for having done it. What is quick is not what you know..... it is what you are willing to change!
ebeckman wrote:
Keyboard commands are for dinosaurs! |
I guess I am prehistoric or at minimum an "old-soul". I personally hope people continue to embrace new (retarded) ideas that are mostly introduced to help sell a new version, and I mean that!! I sincerely hope people continue to gravitate towards being icon hunters. They make me look goooood....
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there was a recent AUGI article called "Too Good for Your Own Good?" that couldn't possibly be more true. The second you think your done learning you are so screwed!! Cause someone like me is going to run circles around you without even trying to. There wasn't one thing on that list I don't consider myself at least familiar with; even if it is not applicable to my specific scope / profession.
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the downfall to being "that guy" is demand..... 60 hour weeks and such..... hence why I am not out partying tonight and posting on this damn forum instead. I got to work tomorrow
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bparrell
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There's alot of post regarding ribbons.I choose this one to show the keyboard guys that they are not left out.I came across the shortcuts for the ribbon.Pretty neat.Guess it's been there from the start.For those not familiar and have ribbons loaded hit the alt key to activate.See pic
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VirtualPilot
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I firmly believe that you are much quicker with Keyboard shortcuts than trying to find a button you now don't remember where it is, or is hidden under other toolbars flyouts... I shortcut everything I commonly use...
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bparrell
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There is a draw back to the shortcut ribbon....you have to activate the main header to get to the sub keys each time.Just thought it was a pretty neat feature.
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VirtualPilot
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Bob, are you going to Vegas this year?
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bparrell
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yep
I have to go and get caught up on all the conversion stuff.I started out with the beta and it has grown big time.I have to fiddle to figure things out.Be nice to see if I'm going about it the correct way.
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JReis
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UGM 2010 will include a new Ribbons interface with updated icon. Attendees will get the files on a complementary USB memory stick.
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jmerch
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JReis wrote:
UGM 2010 will include a new Ribbons interface with updated icon. Attendees will get the files on a complementary USB memory stick. |
Dang...just when I got ours all setup and finalized to roll out to my guys feeling it's the easiest way for them to use it...will have to see what gems the TSI one holds.
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Bobby T
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Great news! can't wait to put it to use.
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jcravens
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Awesome! The headaches might actually stop then
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| Awesome! The headaches might actually stop then |
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What about the non-attendees will we be left out in the cold? Or do we have to "pay" for it.
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